I would like to emphasize that now, we have these concepts, and particular for the "positive" part of them we have a kind of quantification of intensity. The Dark Soul is what turns the dark into the Dark. If you like, check out my lore post on the Primordial Serpents and DLC ending as interpreted from Dark Souls 3 on the Dks3 subreddit:https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/ernnof/truth_of_primordial_serpents_and_dragons_and/. Seath, in harnessing this, allowed his body's soul power to slowly become crystal, which is the clear difference in appearance noted between his intro and game appearances. The moon coming to represent the remains the first flame after life was created, it was a cool light that illuminated the above world, and it remained strongly in the memory of Seath as an obsession, and perhaps is the source of Midir's memory stated in Old Moonlight. Bonfires and Mistle Are the Same Bonfires are one of the core pieces of Dark Souls ' design, giving players a much-needed respite, as well as a chance to restore their healing items. When they die, they die. They are possibly in some way eternal, remnants of the first flame that dwindle in a timeline akin to entropic death of the universe. It is trapped within their bodies, and cannot leave. For Dark Souls on the Xbox 360, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "The Truth: The Age of Fire and The Age of Dark". The Dark Soul inherits an "undying" part of the Lord Soul spark, or otherwise gains this quality by nature of its unnatural birth. One question I have though is how do you fit Seath into the whole Dragons being mineral lifeform thing. In fact, it is not even clear to what capacity he resembles them. Okay, so, one of the main aspects of the lore surrounding the Dark Souls universe is that its very "theatrical", in the sense that many important aspects about the story are described in a very eloquent and poethical way, and usually don't go into factual details about some events. Full of gray crags, archtrees, and Everlasting Dragons. This has the effect of them losing their "humanity", over multiple reanimations they will lose their sanity and memory. As how these obsessions relate I cannot say, and much of these ideas I have ultimately been inspired from details given in other Souls games, making it a complicated theory to present in these bounds. Hello, thank you for reading. This is why the Everlasting Dragons were immortal and their descendants aren't. I may adapt or refine it come the right time. I interpret Seath to actually have multiple obsessions in Dark Souls, but only one is confirmed as becoming immortal. We should have a dark souls lore sub. A community dedicated to Dark Souls I, game released for PC, PlayStation 3 and 4, Xbox 360/One, and Switch (Remastered). Gwen created the Seal of Fire to seal away humanity because he's a selfish jerk, and the Age of Fire keeps this alive. Furthermore, the nature of crystals here would suggest the nature of him birthing modern sorcery as soul-power made "solid", the crystal apex of the soul spells being particularly piercing and tangible. Then from the dark, they came, and found the Souls of Lords within the flame". Dark Souls 3. The characters keep referring to it as "the age of men", which resonates a lot with this idea. The difficulty level is turned all the way up to 11 in this game, and will probably be remembered as the hardest game this year. I am decently inclined to believe they have ancient origins from their growth throughout, and towards the bottom, of the great hollow. He arranges with the Way of the White and the gods to create some bells and the Lordvessel, and slumbers in awaiting a "Chosen undead" whose strength is tested in ringing the bells, which wakes up Frampt. The lore of Dark Souls is infamously vague. However through whatever means they were split, the state of the pair was entirely unnatural, as if splitting a sub-atomic particle into positive and negative constituents, but that analogy does not continue, because they were holy unequal pieces of this Lord Soul. DARK SOULS, a spiritual successor to 2009’s Demon’s Souls, is an action role-playing game that sees players exploring a demon-infested land of the undead in an attempt to retrieve their lost souls.Its realistic melee combat is bloody and gory, and requires players to make clever use of scarce artifacts that can restore health or allow players to engage ghostly specters. He fears that the darkness seems to only grow, it cannot be destroyed, at best it can be sealed. Not talking shit about wise old Gough. The Deep is a concept inDark Souls III. If we go by this game there has never been a time that that First Flame had been left to die. Is there something more to that lore? It leads to an impurity of the dark not even seen previously, but its power is still largely contained, becoming a more long-term issue. As such, Gwyn and/or his people (which included his knights), looked down upon them. Gi… Also, the dead Fire Keeper you loot the Eyes off of, if you talk to Ludleth before you give them to her he talks about the dead one in a personal tone. " So, how would it be? I love this series particularly because of the lore. Crafting this theory was like making a macaroni-art plate, my mom is really proud and technically its art, but its as valuable only in so much as you the reader enjoys it. It was claimed in developer interview that the dragon of Ash Lake in-game did not feel pain when his tail was cut off because he is pseudo-mineral life, I can find this source at a later time, but this is what I base my interpretation of the everlasting dragons on. The Light Soul on the other hand, is at its apex at its very beginning. Clinging to his Age of Fire, and in dire fear of humans, and the Dark Lord who would one day be born amongst them. Okay, so, one of the main aspects of the lore surrounding the Dark Souls universe is that its very "theatrical", in the sense that many important aspects about the story are described in a very eloquent and poethical way, and usually don't go into factual details about some events. "True undead" I believe because he was actually entirely invincible from damage unlike his brethern. Later flavor texts suggest that somehow she began with control over it, but this control deteriorated, spawning the more chaotic and monsterous demons as her own mutated being becomes a seedbed. Furthermore, the weakness was not overtly necessary to exploit, as Nito's miasma is seen decaying and destroying an Ancient Dragon as well. Dark Souls doesn't have a bad character creator, but just looking at a Reddit thread of Code Vein creations shows how dynamic it is. Hot New Top Rising. The Age of Ancients: Before the First Flame. The Furtive Pygmy splits the Dark Soul into humanity. But the progenitor found a fourth, unique soul. But by nature of being born of a cursed existence, the dark is metaphysically an Abyss; as much as it consumes and grows, it can never be satiated. Basicaly the Age of Dark is an Age without the Flame and some Hollows aim to be strong enough to sustain it, following Gwyns image. With his overwhelming power, he manifests remnants of the first flame as the Sun using his Lord Soul. Dark Souls 3 mentions a white flame existing in the Sage Coal, the Sages being clear students of Seaths crystal magic. In that case, wouldn't his body be mortal/flesh and therefore not like the mineral lifeform you described? Primordial Serpent Kaathe "gifts" an ability of Lifedrain to undead warriors in New Londo. As such, I do not believe accepting this discounts Gwyn's race creating lightning magic by being inspired or otherwise observing the essence of it in natural form within the mushrooms. The humanoid ones come in variable sizes, and incorporate the primeval men, which I claim to be the hollow-like humanoids rising out of nothing aimlessly in the intro, and what is ultimately kin to the primeval man but larger and perhaps generally less intelligent, giant men (Giants). And the black eyes that shimmer within, I see? ", which could mean that they are indeed in total darkness, to the point of the Ashen One not being able to see her. Any questions feel free to ask, any sources needed Same thing. Dark souls is an incredible, fun, deep, rewarding game if you are the right person. The Age of Fire continues, shorter and weaker than before. ". Featured in a set of Challenge Mods, the Size Modifier mod allows you to change your character size into either a gargantuan behemoth that can barely fit a single area, to an insect-like creature that would undoubtedly be crushed under enemies’ feet if the game were slightly more realistic. I cannot claim that as to whether or not they could even move before the First Flame came into being, as whether they could or not fits into the rest of my theory rather equally. This is represented by their shard of the First Flame burning out, and disappearing from the universe. But through one way or another, Gwyn, the Witch, and Nito (or at least just Gwyn) accepted the Light Soul to massively amplify their Lord Souls, turning their sparks into suns (insert big flame analogy here). In other words, does not indicate the order of the developments. I find it thematically pleasing to assume nothing even moved. For other uses, see Ending (disambiguation). Because of this, the Tomb becomes a holy part of the Way of the White. Very interesting read! The Witch became Lord, and she and her daughters became the first humanoid magic-users, known ad hoc as flame sorcery since it manipulated or generated the primeval, I suspect largely by using the power of the Lord Soul. Gwyn notes the insatiable, undying dark power within humanity. Is it literally a dark world, without a sun, with people living like mindless wandering hollows, like in DS 1's starting cutscene? Dark Souls: Age of Fire #1 is an interesting and darkly gorgeous introduction to this story set in the famed age of the gods. Dark Souls is the new action role-playing game from the developers who brought you Demon’s Souls, FromSoftware. on the other hand,dark soul came from the first flame,with the flame fading,the humankind will lost the abillity to rule,its just an "AGE OF SERPENTS".they just bow for you and sneer behind you for your foolishness. I think the whole reason Seath was researching how Crystal was so he could create scales for himself, the source of eternal life for dragons. As far as I am aware, the nature of his treachery is not elaborated upon. I know people say that Untended Graves is how an age of dark would look like, but I'm not convinced. Any life at all? I am opening an official modding community for the Age of Fire Mod for DARK SOULS. Email. I claim this to be the same "Twinkle" erupting from the Twinkling Dragon Stones of Dark Souls 3, though I will be de-emphasizing references to Dks 3 in this post. For example, we now have an existence things that can have a lack of Light, or once have light but now no longer do. This is why the First Flame brought Disparity in the world: "before", time didn't flow, so things couldn't evolve or change. So without that, humans could live as humans. This is before the techniques or anything that resembled them were referred to as pyromancy, and I believe this magic to initially be quite weak, as the Lord Souls found so far are actually just sparks. What it is exactly is uncertain, but it seems to start in Irithyll with the cleric Aldrich, who experienced visions of the deep sea1. He may or may not be called "First of the Dead" because his base skeleton was the first lifeform to die. I do believe that he was the first skeleton reanimated by soul-power. Gwyn, Nito, and the Witch inherit the world. One thing though; he didn't get inspiration from the mushrooms with his lightning, it was seath the scaleless who told Gwyn about the dragons weakness. The breakthroughs in development correspond with realization of a Lord Soul. They were sparks of raw power that could be used, among other things for magic. And to conclude everything, I'd like to ask about the Age of Dragons. There is so much out there, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. He goes to the kiln of the First Flame, which is a ritualistic site with quasi-physical placement in the universe where he can attempt a kindling of it. I reference this to be the "Twinkle" referenced in Twinkling Titanite to be strange and of unknown origins. Thus began the age of men, the Age of Dark. Known only as the Ashen One, this hero's objective and duty is to see to the destruction of the imposing Lords of Cinder to prevent Armageddon. As far as I know, its all theories, and it could also be the representation of a prophecy, something from the past (which is what I believe), or whatever. I think they are just shattered, their pieces no more alive or dead then they are combined. Giants have a natural longevity. Just as the first cutscene describes, the First Flame generates all conceptual elements of the universe that have a compliment: Life/Death, Heat/Cold, Light/Dark etc. The action is analagous to spiritual cannabalism, but allows men to gain incredible power from each other. Does it have any n gative consequences. Crags imply a plunge of cliffside into a hole of some sort. Continuing the plan of the Furtive Pygmy and led by Darkstalker Kaathe, members of the Darkwraith covenant aim to be the new Dark Lord, to herald the Age of Dark.". With fire came the division of things and with it, strange living beings that were not dragons emerged from the dark. Again this is not very ironed out... Just wanted to say, I thoroughly enjoyed this theory. I'd like to hear your interpretations (and facts if there's something I'm missing here), but to me personally, I always felt like the age of dark meant an age without lords, without the magic that stems from the First Flame. Proto blood-life in the Age of Ancients continued to develop through checkpoints that mirror the stone, bronze age etc of real life. The Dark Soul. The dark within humanity can now fester, still and stagnant, leaking analogies of pus, rot, and corruption. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/ernnof/truth_of_primordial_serpents_and_dragons_and/. I find that it helps iron out some of the supposed inconsistencies and head-scratchers of the game, like how the First of the Dead can move, what dead even means in a world filled with undead, how darkness can be representative of life etc. The reproduction in particular is certain, for the Witch of Izalith had daughters. Near whatever remained of the First Flame (if there was anything left), but not in it (important distinction elaborated upon in developer interview), we had these things called Lord Souls. Covenants are optional factions that players can join in the Dark Souls series. Darkness, which otherwise would just be the lack of flame and soul-power, can now expand and consume. I am in particular a fan of the interconnected level design of the first half, something that is not repeated in future games, and the lore, particularly the beginning cutscene. It's actually in the past of our Firelink Shrine. In the Age of Ancients the world was unformed, shrouded by fog: a land of gray crags, Archtrees and Everlasting Dragons. It can be hard to envision the Age of Dark because we have no real reference point for it, but it certainly would be dark in a literal sense: the sun and the First Flame are linked, and when the First Flame goes out so does the sun. It is alive. I am not aware of there being a source for Lightning being a secret weakness of the Everlasting dragons given by Seath as part of his treachery. Time flows as a consequence of light, as a consequence of the First Flame. It is simply but powerfully narrated in dialogue, each word having great meaning. >inbefore duh it's dark hurr hurr So far all Dark Souls games have taken place on the edge of transition to the age of fire to the age of dark. However, I firmly believe that any theory, if consistent with the data provided by the games, is valid. Tumblr. I do not find a good way to say he isn't flesh, after all he clearly looks fleshy. There is no disparity. I think most would phrase it as the best Souls intro cutscene, for lack of a better word it is "mythical." The Witch of Izalith and her daughters, by my explanation just shamans without much power initially, came from some ancient civilization and happened upon a Lord Soul. I do not regard this "blood-fire" as being a form of soul power, although one can claim that it is and is related to one's true essence, and perhaps that is what is drawn from in the pyromancy the Power Within. I think it fits into the giant humanoid skull seen in Ash Lake and parts of the later series entries to regard the blood lifeform's having intelligence somewhat inversely correlated with size, at least in a vague sense. Description [edit | edit source]. The Dark Soul, although paling in comparison to what the Lord Souls and the Light Soul has given the rest of the blood-life, has an undying, heretical existence in the universe. I am very strongly inclined to believe lightning is naturally a part of mushrooms from dark souls 3 flavor text, and generally how gold pine resin is only dropping from mushroom people. However, they can lose their memory and power upon death in the form of "soul", and the actual soul-power part of their humanity can be degraded and used-up, which gives risk to the darkness in the essence of the sprite being unleashed and going out of control, which can give rise to horrors (more on that later). Now this is where I start to make very big claims. But the Age of Dark, proceeding from the Age of Flame, has thus Disparity baked into it. The Age of Dark is said to begin when the First Flame fades, thus ending the Age of Fire, the Age of the Gods. At least one oddball possesses an agenda to prevent the natural march of time and restore and maintain the Age of Fire as long as possible. The humanity sprites cannot avert their nature of pursuing that which they have lost/don't have, and yearn for soul and flame invariably (Pursuers flavor text). A more accurate term would just be that they were discombobulated and broken down. 03 Jan 2019 06:36 . Gwyn leads the gods and men up an archtree to the outer crust of the world. Men now exhibit a power of undeath not yet seen by the Gods or other life, death is temporary cessation. In truth, the Age of Dark would be very similar to the Age of Grey, albeit there would be some differences. I believe that the moon as a celestial body is actually a predescessor to the sun as seen in dark souls. Hot. Things always come full circle here. Were the hollows from that first cutscene literally just mindlessly wandering in the dark until the fire appeared, and then 3 seemingly random ones got the Lord Souls? The Gods influence dwindles. Press J to jump to the feed. Would all humans just be hollow mindless zombies for a few centuries or would even the hollows die? The Light Soul was the unbridled soul power of the Lord Soul now uncontained. I believe at the outskirts of the primordial crags of the world, deep in the abyss it borders, we have water. I have yet to play DS1 (I have spent countless hours with DS2 and DS3), but I enjoy anything regarding any DS lore/theories. The explanation I provide for the Light Soul comes simultaneously with an explanation of the Dark Soul. Join. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Its disunion from its compliment, the Dark Soul, essentially allowed the long-lasting potential of the its proper form to be circumvented and "burnt-up" in some capacity. It grows in power with time, in search of what it has lost. They are mostly embellishing and reinforcing data that I may collect in another post and link to stay true to subreddit topic. The Age of Ancients: The First Flame's birth, Bloodlife, and things before the war on the dragons. The world is as stated. Anton Kokarev continues to conjure a dark and haunting world reminiscent of the game without simply copying the … Instead, the Flame rekindles itself by burning the part of Gwyn's soul analagous to the white tinge of humanity, this leaves him in a state that looks similar to an undead hollow. But I do not believe this revelation necessarily spawned Gwyn's tribe usage of lightning magic, or that they had lightning magic before they are told such a thing. Frampt then, with less than stellar honesty, attempts to guide the undead to regain the Lord Souls and Lord Soul shards, which they must first do by gaining the Lord Vessel in Anor Londo, and then killing god-like entities that possess them. It is possible he is some way spawned from this. "After the advent of fire, the ancient lords found the three souls. The Age of Ancients: The War with the Dragons. The Chosen Undead may choose to perpetuate the Age of Fire, or instead bring about the Age of Dark.There are no other requirements, aside from defeating the final boss, to access either ending. Humans and other creatures have yet to make an impression upon the world. However! The seal of fire causes a distinct problem. It is a force that can be harnessed, but while initially weak, is unique in that it can expand. Nito was an amalgamation of skeletons, with root skeleton being giant, reanimated by one Lord Soul, which he claimed and became a Lord. It was when all Lords enflamed their Lord Souls did they gain the strength to challenge the ancient winged deities. Greedfall - yes, it is a bit janky in some places and fairly low budget, but the rpg experience is far better than expected, combat is good too. It has power that can be harnessed but is in a way infinite, in very much an inverse to the Light Soul that has been used by the gods and is now indistinct liquid energy distributed amongst them (I believe alot is in Gwyn himself). To me it doesn’t make sense for demons souls to occur before ds. They are what become known as undead. The Age of Grey was also "flat", every dragon was identical to every other dragon, every Archtree was the same, and all the hollows as well. Anton Kokarev's artwork is good, mind you.It has an unnerving realism balanced against odd imagery and … In a way, I have just now shot myself in the foot before I have even begun, by discrediting the possibility of my theory being a "true answer.". 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